Wednesday, 13 May 2015

13th May 2015

Algenontrotsville to Bigrunner
A short article months ago from the DM, explaining just how ordinary people will be affected. Of course if you have no thoughts, never question what the government are doing and are apathetic then people like that may not be affected.
Google 'Theresa May's non violent extremism legislation Daily Mail' to see how our freedom of speech will be further eroded, and could especially affect sites like this, half the people on this site could be criminalised.
She needed another term to get it through, I never thought that she would get it. The DM explains in it's article how it will affect ordinary people, to exactly what extent is debatable.
Bigrunner to ALGENONTROTSVILLE
Your mistaken ordinary people will not be affected and there is no way they could be.
The law is to put a stop to terrorism and the incitement to murder, to ban extremist groups who want to put an end democracy in this country.
Sharia Laws that in some cases are not abiding by this countries laws. So I repeat for your benefit in this short comment that the ordinary peace loving people of this country will not be affected, but mark my words those who wish us harm will be. 
ALGENONTROTSVILLE to Bigrunner
You haven't read the DM article then.
Bigrunner to ALGENONTROTSVILLE 
Your rather presumptuous to suggest I haven’t read the article, this could be a problem you have you need to stop jumping to conclusions and not get out of your depth.

Michael Warr comment
So, David Cameron has finally started revealing the Tory Governments true Agenda, " The Police State", he certainly fooled the voting Public. For those who didn't even bother to turn out and vote, all I can say is, "It's your Fault"; so don't complain. Next will come a bill removing Freedom of the Press and the removal of Freedom of Speech.! Maggie Thatchers dream! Remember the current Tort Party are known as Thatchers Babes because they grew up under her indoctrination. God help the United Kingdom!!
Bigrunner to 
You really do write a load of flannel, but I have to say it’s content is comical and so obviously juvenile that you can’t do anything else but excuse it.
So for the amusement of some of us carry on.
Then you have the  bewildered and bemused who I expect will support and agree with you…but then it may not be their fault they are intellectually disadvantaged.


Guardian
Tough new powers to tackle Muslim extremism will be fast-tracked into law – including shutting mosques which shelter fanatics.
David Cameron pledged to ‘confront head-on the poisonous ideology’ of Islamist hardliners by making a Counter-Extremism Bill the centrepiece of the new Government’s first Queen’s Speech later this month.
He vowed to put traditional British values at the heart of the new Government’s terror crackdown, launched amid a rising threat from Islamic State-inspired jihadists.
More Here...Guardian 13-5-2015

Bigrunner
Now that Nick Clegg and his pals have been kicked out by the British public for their broken promises and their numerous and treacherous interventions in government by preventing a severe crack down like this promised by David Cameron.
A crackdown like this is long overdue, and action against extremism and terrorism needs implementing and carried out with speed, vigour and determination, and while we are at it close down all the state sponsored faith schools of every denomination.

Bigrunner
The government is now in a position with the rejection of Clegg and his party by the Electorate to implement this policy, they will have to circumvent any EU intervention and if they fail then David Cameron and his party will be out on their ear before they know it.

Denska to Bigrunner
What a load of patronising morbid supplication, nothing more than re-cycled trash but eagerly read and devoured by those easily influenced and led by the nose: Reference Charlotte Church protest
It's easier to imagine people who disagree with you as stupid, isn't it? One of the easiest delusions to fall into, I find.
Bigrunner to Denska
There is no harm in being easily influenced it could lead to a positive outcome, stupid are your words not mine.

Bigrunner
There’s some sad, forlorn characters on here who would just roll over and surrender to extremism, you will always get this type of do-gooder who will never put themselves at risk to defend their comfortable life styles they just want others to do it for them.

Eques to Bigrunner
It's nothing to do with being a "do-gooder".
If the government can curtail terrorists' freedom of expression they can curtail anyone's, including mine. And yours.
Bigrunner to Eques
Freedom of speech and freedom of expression will never be curtailed it’s impossible in this day and age, but to incite others to murder and commits acts of violence is not acceptable and those responsible should be jailed.

FizzyVimto to Bigrunner
So to get rid of a few extremists we must all just blindly accept that the state be allowed to rifle through all of our online activities, phone conversations, text messages, etc. whenever they like? Or criminalise people who have not even committed a crime?
There are already laws in place to deal with the issues this will apparently be "solving" - why not just make more effective use of those?
Bigrunner to FizzyVimto
You have answered your own question, the things you refer to are already done when and when required but with restrictions that need amending.
The Human rights act needs sorting also, the government is considering a UK Bill of rights to replace it, so we will have to see what happens.

Eques to Bigrunner
How is it impossible? It's only impossible if people resist it. On the evidence of today that ain't going to happen.
Bigrunner to Eques
There you go then they should resist it like you say, no one can stop anyone speaking their mind, but if they spout race hatred and violence and murder and get caught in the process then they must face the consequences, and rightly so.

Bigrunner to Fallowfield
Try and say these words if you can when you’ve had a skin full 
of decent beer not that Aussie stuff though.
Specificity, Anti-constitutionalistically and Transubstantiate.

FizzyVimto to Bigrunner
They don't want to amend the restrictions, they want to remove them and collect data wholesale. It's nothing but mass state surveillance, and it's no coincidence that they want to get rid of HRA because protection from exactly this is one of the things that is in it.
Bigrunner to FizzyVimto
Why do you refer to your government as ‘They’ ?
These are the people who are on your side and are trying to protect you the best way they know how.
Eques to Bigrunner
no one can stop anyone speaking their mind said Bigrunner
They can, if there's a law, like this one, that says they can.
Bigrunner to Eques
Nobody on this Earth whether it’s the State or your family and friends they cannot make you stop speaking your mind  unless they Gag you or drug you torture you or finally execute you, for as long as you are alive and have a breath in your body they cannot do it.

Bigrunner
Now that Nick Clegg and his pals have been kicked out by the British public for their broken promises and their numerous and treacherous interventions in government by them preventing a severe crack down on extremism and terrorist activity. 
This new government have now got the freedom to carry this out and with the backing and support of the majority of the British public.

A crackdown that is long overdue, action like this against extremism and terrorism needs implementing and carried out with speed, vigour and determination, and while we are at it close down all the state sponsored faith schools of every denomination.

Bigrunner
Another load wishy washy wannabes on our streets making fools of themselves.
Pretending they are angry how silly can you get.
But there are those amongst these lot who for their very own self-promotion and satisfaction will encourage others to cause mayhem, damage and disorder on the streets of the UK in the name of unity, socialism and democracy. 

  •  maricaangela to Bigrunner
    The concessions we have to society today were only won by widescale protest movements, fear of trained men coming back from war, fear of the establishment that chaos will prevail if they don't listen to demands.
    Protest is democracy. Suppressing it is dictatorship.

  • Hushing to 
    Bigrunner 8h ago
    Another load of wishy washy wannabes on our streets making fools of themselves.
    Yeah, that cabinet photo was not a pleasant sight.
    Pretending they are angry how silly can you get.
    You know, at Christmas we watched the George C Scott version of A Christmas Carol. It's definitely the best. Anyway, I got talking to Mrs Hushing about the odd discomfort we felt about Fred, a sort of knee jerk cynicism we had in the face of such sincere goodness and warmth. It's not a pleasant place to be.
    But there are those amongst these lot who for their very own self-promotion and satisfaction will encourage others to cause mayhem, damage and disorder on the streets of the UK in the name of unity, socialism and democracy.
    How dare you talk about undercover officers like that! It's a hard job, you know. They cant even call themselves agent provocateurs now, because eveyone will just think of the nice underwear.

  • Bigrunner to 
    maricaangela 8h ago
    Peaceful protest will never be suppressed in the UK.
    • But damage to property, and preventing access to peoples place of work and causing obstruction will be suppressed and so it should be.
      Another load of wishy washy wannabes on our streets making fools of themselves.
      No, just some one who cares what happens to other people. I know, hard to imagine, eh?

    • Bigrunner to 
      Hushing 8h ago
      You tried and failed.
    • It was your cynicism that let you down.
    • Have another try.

    • Bigrunner to 
      nondescrpt 7h ago
      No you see I can imagine what’s going on all right that’s easy but imagination can be very wishy washy, what really goes on is the disruption and disturbance caused by these yobs who have nothing better to do but disturb others, cause damage, block traffic, scare children and animals, they haven’t a clue what there true aims are they just want to make a lot of noise and get publicity.

    • Jammer Jamski to  Bigrunner 7h ago
      hahahhahahaaa! Er, yeah ...

    • clairesdad to 
      Bigrunner 7h ago
      Nobody ever won any rights by doffing their cap lad.And lost their self respect as well.

    • leanttotheleft  to 
      Bigrunner 7h ago
      Demolition
    • Shutting down industries 
    • Privatisation of everyone's services
      in the name of capitalism

    • Hushing  to 
      Bigrunner 7h ago
      Pfft. You're not the boss of me.
      "Disobediance is man's original virtue". Oscar Wilde said that. If you disagree, you'll have to take it up with him, which you can't, because he's dead.
      Game. Set. Checkmate.

    • Bigrunner to 
      Hushing 6h ago
      So you've changed your mind? 
    • Does this one work any better?
    • I would hope it does, because you are struggling to come up with an intelligent response to my original comment.
    • Keep trying.

    • Bigrunner to 
      leanttotheleft 6h ago
      I suppose you are an avid disciple of Karl Marx then.
    • Demolition is progress.
    • Maybe you would like to live in the slums of yesteryear ?
    • It sounds like you want the state to take care of your every little whim... you’ve a lot to learn.

    • Bigrunner to 
      Jammer Jamski 6h ago
      Stay Happy Jammer

    • Bigrunner to 
      clairesdad 6h ago
      You neither have to earn rights or win them off anyone, remember that and you will never lose your self respect.
    • Doffing your cap is now just a figure of speech, but if and when it is done it may well be just a sign of respect and not a sign of inferiority.