Sunday, 14 June 2015

14th June 2015

There are several reasons provided to justify the practice of female genital mutilation:
  • Control over women’s sexuality: Virginity is a pre-requisite for marriage and is equated to female honour in a lot of communities. FGM, in particular infibulation, is defended in this context as it is assumed to reduce a woman’s sexual desire and lessen temptations to have extramarital sex thereby preserving a girl’s virginity.
  • Hygiene: There is a belief that female genitalia are unsightly and dirty. In some FGM-practicing societies, un-mutilated women are regarded as unclean and are not allowed to handle food and water.
  • Gender based factors: FGM is often deemed necessary in order for a girl to be considered a complete woman, and the practice marks the divergence of the sexes in terms of their future roles in life and marriage. The removal of the clitoris and labia — viewed by some as the “male parts” of a woman’s body — is thought to enhance the girl’s femininity, often synonymous with docility and obedience. It is possible that the trauma of mutilation may have this effect on a girl’s personality. If mutilation is part of an initiation rite, then it is accompanied by explicit teaching about the woman’s role in her society.
  • Cultural identity: In certain communities, where mutilation is carried out as part of the initiation into adulthood, FGM defines who belongs to the community. In such communities, a girl cannot be considered an adult in a FGM-practicing society unless she has undergone FGM.
  • Religion: FGM predates Islam and is not practiced by the majority of Muslims, but it has acquired a religious dimension. Where it is practiced by Muslims, religion is frequently cited as a reason. Many of those who oppose mutilation deny that there is any link between the practice and religion, but Islamic leaders are not unanimous on the subject. Although predominant among Muslims, FGM also occurs among Christians, animists and Jews.


Bigrunner
This appalling assault on young girls and woman is of an age that predates religion, although Muslims predominantly are believed to be the main practitioners of this barbaric act it also occurs within Christian and Jewish communities around the world.
There is no benefits to health by this procedure, and FGM is recognised on an international scale as a violation of Human rights, but yet it still goes on.
Why do politically correct governments keep telling us that Islam is a religion of peace, when some extreme forms degrade and mutilate their woman like this.
And to add to the atrocities already inflicted upon these poor defenceless woman they are at terrible risk of an appalling death by stoning. 

Sameena Kauser to Bigrunner
Excuse me how is it Islams fault that ites followers are practising FGM which you admit predates Islam. How is it a extreme form of Islam when the concept of FGM doesnt even exist. i wish people would think before they posted. the truth is Somalis would have carried on with FGM had they been of any or no religion. Its and age old cultural practice amongst some Africans and they need to change their mindsets to deal with this.

Bigrunner to Sameena Kauser
It is the fault of whoever and whatever faith, if they practice and support this revolting and cruel way to treat woman.
Because it predate Islam, that’s got nothing to do with it.

Sameema Kauser to Bigrunner
So why did you not mention Christian extremist then? 
They are practicing this endlessly in parts of Africa and even in London. Cant you get the fact that they wont be curbed by religion as its a cultural practice. And youve never even been to a Muslim country yet mention stoning like its happens like eating cakes. May the truth is stoning a happened in all medieval cultures even in parts of Hindu India and was administered by village elders against men and women. Islam was the only religion that would pardon it at the time and it was completely stopped soon by the caliphates after well before Jewish communities did. In recent history apart form Sudan threatening to do so only Yazidis practiced it s their culture was untouched by time and Assad didnt want interfere in minority cultures due to the disturbance it can cause. It is the Taliban and ISIS through which stoning has re emerged. God knows who has inspired these horrors but we all know the US and Israhell has had a vested interest in ISIS


Bigrunner to Sameema Kauser 
I refer to all faiths in my comment, but by you response you appear to be steeped in guilt of some description or other.
Can you clarify the source of your information that I have never been to a Muslim country ?
Stoning is and always was an evil practice, your attempts at excusing it are fallible and preposterous.
Your comment would be more in line with the subject if you condemned Female Genital Mutilation than trying to give an history lesson that I can assure you is not required or needed.

RealityCheck to Bigrunner
If you had bothered to do a rudimentary search you would have learnt that FMG is and always was rejected and abhorred by Jews and in Judaism. The only reference to Jewish FMG is brought by a Muslim with regard to the Ethiopian Falashas. In reality even they do not practice it but the Falashmura (Falasha Christian converts) and then only on a very limited scale. 
But hey, why not blame the Jews, make up facts, create one more blood libel, just to keep things "balanced".

Bigrunner to RealityCheck
I refer to the practice world wide, the Ethiopian Jews only ceased this practice on entering Israel, and it was not always rejected by Jews, those are facts.

Bigrunner to SameemaKauser
All religions are founded on superstition, myth, and lies.

Bigrunner to Karl Young
The attack on children by this type of horrific abuse is far more important than a passport, this is an excellent move by the government.

Karl Young
This is an attack on all of us,"special powers to confiscate peoples passports". 
Do we have any rights left untouched.


RealityCheck2011 to Bigrunner
Stop making up your "facts". You obviously know nothing about Judaism and have only found documentation that indicates that it is not practiced by the Falasha in Israel. If you read further you would discover that the same medical sources indicated the total absence of FGM in Falasha females who immigrated to Israel, ie it was not practiced by them in Ethiopia either. And you definitely haven't asked an Ethiopian Israeli about it. The only references about Falasha FGM practice is reported by Muslim academics (one initial, the other referencing the first). But facts obviously won't change your bigoted ideological perspective.

Bigrunner to RealityCheck2011
You seem upset, and your judgement is flawed.

RealityCheck2011 to Bigrunner
I have a distaste for those who present themselves as intellectuals going on about subjects they know nothing about, making false statements and bigoted claims. There is no issue of judgement, just facts and you can't make them up to suit your "judgement".

Bigrunner to RealityCheck2011
You really should stick to the subject, and I believe that subject is FGM.
Facts I presented and facts you got.

Bigrunner
You need people like George Galloway in politics, he stirs things up and get’s himself loads of publicity into the bargain, he’s always in the news, an excellent orator and despite his failure in Bradford he does keep on going, and no doubt earning a good living from it I expect.
We can be critical of George all we want but you can bet it will be like water off a Ducks back.
He thrives on confrontation, he knows he will never be in any government or effect any policy.
After he fails in his bid for the post of London Mayor he will be off to find homself another political project.
There’s one thing you can say for George he’s a man of action and determination, something many of his critics are not.
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Bigrunner
You need people like George Galloway in politics, he stirs things up and get’s himself loads of publicity into the bargain, he’s always in the news, an excellent orator and despite his failure in Bradford he does keep on going, and no doubt earning a good living from it I expect.
We can be critical of George all we want but you can bet it will be like water off a Ducks back. 
He thrives on confrontation, he knows he will never be in any government or effect any policy.
After he fails in his bid for the post of London Mayor he will be off to find himself another political project.
There’s one thing you can say for George he’s a man of action and determination, something many of his critics are not.

Fencewalker to Bigrunner
I'm missing the bit where you explain why we need him.

Bigrunner to Fencewalker

Well I suppose we don’t really need him at all to be fair, but he just makes the political stage more interesting and entertaining, I think it would be a different matter if he was ever in a position to wield any authority, and be involved in decision making regarding the future of the United Kingdom, but I believe that will never happen