Wednesday, 23 November 2016

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David Powell to Bill Johnson
Bill Johnson the food hath said in his heart there's no god ...

Bill Johnson to David Powell
Who said the fool said that?

Joan Murgi to Bill Johnson
David Powell

Bill Johnson to Joan Murgi
Joan, thats true, you made me laugh with that.

Zain Van schaeffer to Bill Johnson
That comes from the teaching of the quran from 1400 years or so ago too.
i dont have blind faith ive questioned things n found the answers. 
N to me it all makes sense. You say prove theres a God a say prove there isn’t. But still the 1st human or ape human had to come from somewhere? How did earth come to be how did the stars come to be was the just a darkness the hit n huge particles of dust formed planets n the sun how did the rotation of the solar system begin? How vast is space? Why is it there? They couldn't have just been there. 
Otherwise it all would just make no sense how n why we are here

Bill Johnson to Zain Van schaeffer
You cannot deny that Muslims are instructed from early childhood that they must not question Islam or Muhammad and Allah under any circumstances, and they they must read the Quran and Hadith’s and not criticise any part of them.
I cannot prove there is no God, and neither can you prove that there is a God.
There is plenty of information with regards to the birth of the Universe I’m sure you can find that out for yourself.

Zain Van schaeffer to Bill Johnson
where does it say that, islam says seek knowledge from cradle to the grave, so much sciences to Islam u have to learn n want to learn, it does not say do not critise if we not allowed to critisize it how would we find authentic hadith to non authentic. it says seek the truth.
Im sure I can it still does not prove that it was not created by God.

Explain this why are humans the only ones who can speak n have many different languages different color hair skin color how our bodies are adapted how our diseases are different to animals our lack of fur, u tryna say its a coincidence or an adaptation technique? How we walk on 2 legs yet most animals are on all fours.why do we not grow gills when entering the water? Why do we have a hunger for greed n yet animals do what they do to survive yet we try and over survive all the time.

Bill Johnson to Zain Van schaeffer
I said Children are instructed within their religion that they must not criticise the Qur’an, Muhammad or Allah, if you wish you can say that I am incorrect, but then taqiyya is one way that Muslims are permitted to get out of a tight corner when in defence of their religion.
I expect that some Muslims may have different opinions with regard’s to the Hadiths, but you dare not with the Qur’an.
Disease is disease, and cross infection from animals to humans is a fact, and whatever part of the world you live in it’s effect on people depends on culture and social standards of living.
The rest of your comment about colour of skin and fir, gills and walking on two legs is silly, but if your serious and want to find out then ask Allah.
So you are sticking to your belief that man fell out of the sky - a ready made article, complete and fully functioning. 
Do you also believe that when you die that in some extraordinary way you will also be alive and live for all eternity?

Zain Van schaeffer to Bill Johnson
taqqiya is not taught as a child dont get it wrong Muslim are not indoctrinated to lies, in actual fact we are taught lieing is wrong, n i never even heard of taqqiya till I was on YouTube n I did some research about n its mainly practised by a so called sect of islam n is meant as a lie to save ones life when you are asked your religion n your answer would mean life or death.
Lol dude I Dont need to ask Allah its in the quran. 
O mankind, We have created you from a male and a female and have made you into nations and tribes for you to know one another.  Truly, the noblest of you with God is the most pious.2  Truly, God is All-Knowing, All-Aware. (Quran, 49:13)
Yes I do,u see here again is where ur mind is one dimesional, thats why I say u cannot comprehend it, ypur mind is on one plane where as we are taught this life is just a test n whithout fail we are tested everyday till we die, n if I deny what is said in hadith about what will be happening close to judgement day I will be a lier coz u see hadith tells of a time when all leaders will be corrupt of a time where woman n men will be wearimg clothes but also not wearing clothes etc etc etc so as much as u dont believe I have hadith n quran that have been proven to be correct.

Bill Johnson to Zain Van schaeffer
I never commented that Muslim children were taught taqqiya but must not criticise the Qur’an or the Hadiths 
And I add to that comment that Muslims of the same sect are taught not to lie and be honest with their Muslim brothers and sisters.
But in case’s where they are trying to maybe gain the trust and confidence of non-Muslims then lying is an acceptable form of conduct.
Another thing  is that because we are tested every day in all kind of different situations does not mean there is a God.
Is it true that Muslims should live like the Prophet Muhammad and emulate his actions and standards of conduct?
Why do Muslims in certain circumstances and in different Islamic sects hate each other or hate and reject the others Islamic faith?
What is it you seem to think I don’t comprehend?

Zain Van schaeffer to Bill Johnson
nope lying is not permissible at all not even to gain trust we are to be truthful in everything we do all dealings, Everything. me it does why else would we be tested other than to gain access to a better eternity.
yes that is true its called Sunnah, because they are individuals and they feel the way they do it is better in Islam there not even supposed to be different sects but that too is fortold in the quran :
[6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done.
[30:31] You shall submit to Him, reverence Him, observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), and - whatever you do - do not ever fall into idol worship.
[30:32] (Do not fall in idol worship,) like those who divide their religion into sects; each party rejoicing with what they have.
[42:14] Ironically, they broke up into sects only after the knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy and resentment among themselves. If it were not for a predetermined decision from your Lord to respite them for a definite interim, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the later generations who inherited the scripture are full of doubts.
that there could be something else totally beyond your understanding waiting for your when u pass on.

Bill Johnson to Zain Van schaeffer
Your first sentence in your comment is false, that is if you follow and respect what the Qur’an quotes.
I can also refer you to the Qur’an just the way you have done to me, so here goes…
Qur’an 16:06
Qur’an 40:28
I suppose if you look you will find many more.
The Islamic faith is vastly divided there a numerous sects all at each others throats.
You say there ‘could’ be something totally beyond my understanding, but you have no idea what that is, you are just assuming this, exactly the same way that you assume there is a God, it’s a world of make believe your existing in Zain.

Zain Van schaeffer to Bill Johnson
how is it false?
Lemme quote the chapter and verse:
And the grazing livestock He has created for you; in them is warmth and [numerous] benefits, and from them you eat.
And for you in them is [the enjoyment of] beauty when you bring them in [for the evening] and when you send them out [to pasture].
i dunno what this verse has to do with this but ok.
But Moses said, "Indeed, I have sought refuge in my Lord and your Lord from every arrogant one who does not believe in the Day of Account."
And a believing man from the family of Pharaoh who concealed his faith said, "Do you kill a man [merely] because he says, 'My Lord is Allah ' while he has brought you clear proofs from your Lord? And if he should be lying, then upon him is [the consequence of] his lie; but if he should be truthful, there will strike you some of what he promises you. Indeed, Allah does not guide one who is a transgressor and a liar.
now remember this is the time of moses and before islam was formed this is a narration of what happened during the time of moses, 
but so is Christianity n yet i don find u picking on Christians how many differetn sects do they have or even Jews, hindus or even budhist i check on your wall too everything anti islam.
i dont assume there is god i believe there is god there is a vast difference. so u assuming that im making assumption. i think that u dont want to understand god because u wont let yourself believe that there is a better palce than this plain of existance.

Bill Johnson to Zain Van schaeffer
Maybe false is the wrong word, but Muslims can mislead or lie to people to advance their argument for the betterment of their faith or when in danger, this deception also applies to Sunni and Shiite followers, in fact lying is an everyday occurrence, everyone does it…and if they say they don’t lie, then they are liars, most jokes that are told are lies.
40:28 In other words deny your faith to unbelievers, that is lying.
16:106 …this tell you there are situations when it is admissible to lie.
I may have made an error in the previous comment with 16.5 but that is unimportant.
Anyway Muslims lying and using deception to achieve their aims doesn’t bother me, there are far more important things in life.
Is it true that questioning the authorship of the Qur’an is blasphemy?  
Can you face being put to death for speaking out and denying the Qur’an’s authenticity?
I believe Christianity to be nonsense so is the Judean faith its all tosh.
Noah and his Ark is one of the most ridiculous stories thats ever been told, and some people believe it to be an historical fact.
Moses probably never existed.
Maybe Jesus didn’t either.
But Mohammed did, he was a war Lord who spread Islam by conflict and conquest not by peaceful conversion.
Religion is all about power and influence on this earth while still living and breathing.
What happens to your mortal remains after death?
Its a known fact that the body decomposes when it is left to nature, or it may be cremated under different circumstances…finished!
And so no one can prove if there is an afterlife after the body dies and all of its vital functions shut down, and nobody ever will know.

Zain Van schaeffer to Bill Johnson
sir. Your interpretations r really something else lol im in shock but even though I quoted English. 
Its supposed to be that if ur life is at risk u can not must deny ur faith. 
So u tell me if ur life is in danger n they say they will kill u if ur not Muslim, u wouldn't say ur Muslim? 
I personally would never do that but thats just me.
n I can agree that most people lie on a daily basis, dont put everybody under 1 unbrella. 
Theres a difference between denying it n speaking out against improbably in todays age it will not happen but yes I think they should, its like someone being ur friend n sleeping with ur gf n then humiliating u as to how small your weener is.
How do u know that were u there? 
I hope when u saw what a warlord he was that u took pictures because id like to see them, dint make shit aligatiions about somebody u dont know. 
N how do u know Noah did not exist u were probably around during his time too right? 
Oh ya I forgot u dont believe God exist so u wont believe Noah existed or any of the other prophets. 
U dont believe people have souls right? 
Just muscle n bones? 
Lol I wonder how u get ur personality if everybody have the same body parts everything same but yet no 1 person or animal is the same 
u so blind to what u can see that u dont see the bigger picture 

Bill Johnson to Zain Van schaeffer
If I thought a lie would save my life I would lie…what fool wouldn’t lie?
Maybe a fanatical religious martyr with the intellect of a pea who is enslaved to the nonsense preached by a bunch of ne’er-do-wells 1400 years ago would be willing and happy to die for a cause that they don’t understand.
Sorry no picture…reason no camera.
What is a soul?
People are muscle and bone, with a mixture of fluids and blood, and humans do have the same body parts, of course throughout life it is possible that they may lose some.
The human personality is a combination of close family hereditary factors and life experiences.
Whats the bigger picture you are seeing?
Maybe there is an even a bigger picture, a picture you don’t see.